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SigDaddy228

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That is the word through the vine..
CAG aka ACE (1-SFOD) went Glock 22 .40 a couple of years ago.. Now Tier 2 units are also adopting the G22.
Mags come from the factory with a +2 extension.
After the most recent, small contract is completed they will be ordering Glocks for the "regular" Army.


Just thought I would share..

You gets teh pics, when I gets teh pics = )



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I just finished the book Kill Bin Laden but Dalton Fury about Tora Bora. He mentions his guys either carried a 1911 or a Glock 22 back in 2003 as well.

I'm starting to really enjoy my Glock 19.

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Kind of wonder why it hasnt been done already.

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I had read in previous trials they required a manual safety. I wonder if that was myth or has been eliminated or what.

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Read that too. Something to do with people being new to guns.

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Manual safety was a big factor during the Beretta buy and I'd be surprised to see DoD go without one for standard issue. I'd also be surprised to see them go with .40 cal. In my experience most people couldn't shoot a 9mm consistently with the limited range time. Hope they don't screw up the Glocks with an external safety.

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That would explain the 200,000 gun backlog at Glock (that is what dealers are saying anyway). It is an easy firearm to learn on....

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Isn't there a version with a thumb safety?

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There are aftermarket safeties and, yes, Glock has produced versions with a thumb safety for various contracts. DoD would screw it up though. "Finger off the trigger until the muzzle is on target and you are ready to fire" really does work, but safe habits take effort to learn and you can't fix stupid.

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If these are going to be issued to SF - couldn't the Army concede that these guys aren't your "average" Joe - and bypass the manual safety requirements?

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That would be logical thinking. We'll have none of that here!

In all seriousness, I would think they could, but the line about ordering more for "regular" guys may be an issue.

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View PostSigDaddy228, on 07 May 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

In 2001 is was optional. Some were opting for a G17.. G22 oe a 1911.. Personal choice.
For the past few years the issue has been 2 G22's and one 1 G27.

*These do not have a manual safety.. I think the line of thinking was that if it is good enough for most police departments and federal agents in the U.S.. The main line grunt shooould be able to handle it.


View Postunforgiven5150, on 04 May 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I just finished the book Kill Bin Laden but Dalton Fury about Tora Bora. He mentions his guys either carried a 1911 or a Glock 22 back in 2003 as well.

I'm starting to really enjoy my Glock 19.

In 2001 is was optional. Some were opting for a G17.. G22 oe a 1911.. Personal choice.
For the past few years the issue has been 2 G22's and one 1 G27.

*These do not have a manual safety.. I think the line of thinking was that if it is good enough for most police departments and federal agents in the U.S.. The main line grunt shooould be able to handle it.

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Regular Army will never get Glocks. Never.

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Never say never... = )

Part of the procurement process is using procurement methods alread on the books and they are mutually exclusive between DoD and Federal Departments. The Justice Department already has procurement and testing methods for the Glock pistol and the DoD can actually just use that testing or run their own.. Same thing as Justice or Homeland Security procuring the same materials from DoD testing and procurement methods.

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I say never because the manual of arms is too risky. You pull the trigger to clear a Glock, and to clean it. Private Snuffy WILL crank off rounds while doing both. Ideally you want to be able to clear and disassemble without touching the trigger. (decocker) It is my personal opinion that a service pistol should have either a manual safety or DA/SA operation. Unfortunately for Glock lovers, the military also shares my opinion.

On an unrelated note, have you heard of the Joint Combat Pistol program? That should give you an idea of what the military is looking for in a future handgun. Think PX4, FNP, 24/7, etc.





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