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[TCB Firearms]

I think it may have gotten confused...
I was in the same class, and if Josh is thinking about the same part i am.....Glen and John were talking about the different laws for different reservations, and that there is NO "normal" or standard when dealing with the reservations. Basically to call, and if possible personally verify, each reservations policy BEFORE heading there. I believe another student asked about the casino's and how they were controlled...the answer was to treat the same as any other reservation inquiry...call and independently verify if possible.
I do not believe we got into specifics of reciprocity other than some informational sites (http://handgunlaw.us/ and http://gunlaws.com/) and specific areas Glen and John had been and verified, with strange differences from municipality to municipality. (Colorado was one IIRC)

Edited by TCB Firearms, 15 November 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[rizzo]

In Nevada, it's not at all illegal to carry into Casinos.

In Arizona, it's also not illegal unless the reservation specifically doesn't allow concealed carry or the Casino is posted. That varies with the tribe. Otherwise, it's perfectly legal. Some tribes allow it, some don't. There's a list out there somewhere but I'm not gonna look it up right now, maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

I'm kind of surprised all this wasn't covered correctly in your class.

In Nevada, it is not illegal to carry into a casino due to the way that casinos are managed. If the Casino is posted 'No Guns' then you shouldn't carry into that establishment, but it's still not a 'prohibited' location, per se, as it stills falls under trespassing if you are caught and refuse to leave or remove the firearm from the premises. To my knowledge, there are no casinos on the Strip that have such signs, at least none that I have seen or heard of. That being said, I can tell you based on personal knowledge that every single casino there will ask you to leave if security sees your firearm in any way, shape, or form, or if anyone reports that you have a firearm. Some hotels may require you to deposit your firearm in the hotel safe during your stay. Refusal may not just cost you your room, but also your deposits.

In Arizona, however, it's a different story. All casinos are managed by the Arizona Department of Gaming, and every casino in the state is managed by an Arizona Indian tribe. Currently there are 15 tribes operating 22 casinos throughout the state, and 6 additional tribes that have compacts with the ADG but are not operating casinos. In addition to the fact that most, but not all, tribes do not recognize AZ CCW, there is also a specific section in the official Indian Tribe - State of Arizona Gaming Compact that deals with the Prohibiton of Firearms, which can be found here: http://www.gm.state....mpact.final.pdf. On paper page 20 / digital document page 26, under Section 3: Nature, Size, and Conduct of Class III Gaming, subsection ®, it states:

® Prohibition on Firearms: The possession of firearms by any Person within a Gaming Facility shall be strictly prohibited. This prohibition shall not apply to certified law enforcement officers authorized to be on the premises as well as any private security service retained to provide security at a Gaming Facility, or armored car services.

So we see here that carrying a firearm into a casino in the State of Arizona is a prohibited activity unless you are LEO, private security, or an armored car service authorized to be on the premises. Again, this can certainly become a simple trespassing issue if you happen to be in a casino on tribal land that recognizes AZ CCW, but they will still ask you to leave and they are not friendly about it. If you happen to be on tribal land that does not recognize AZ CCW, which is the bulk of the tribal land here in AZ, you are in more trouble then you want to ever be in.

Let me sum it up this way: don't carry a firearm into a casino in the state of Arizona unless you have called ahead and verified that it will be accepted, which I can almost guarantee that it won't. It will not be regarded as the appropriate thing to do to just show up and get caught printing or carrying, not to mention that tribal land is like a sovereign state and tribal cops rarely have a good sense of humor.

Edited by rizzo, 15 November 2012 - 06:34 PM.

[wishbone]

Thanks Glen, I knew I read that on your slide correctly from the class in regards to prohibited locations, I just couldn't find it listed anywhere in state law. I can't get the link you posted to work (pdf is corrupt for me?), but I trust that it's in there. If the Arizona Gaming Compact prohibits it wouldn't that be a lot more than just trespassing? I don't know a lot about that department or what sort of authority they have to enforce law, but it seems that even if that particular tribe allowed CCW the compact could potentially put you in legal trouble. Anyway, I don't go to Casinos, but I do like to fully understand the law and as it turns out it's never easy. =)

Another location I had always assumed was about Banks, the class also pointed out that there is no law prohibiting you from going into a bank with a firearm (unless of course it's a federal building). Maybe I'm the only one who thought that, but still it was good information to know. This is why I've retaken the CCW class three times since 1997. Things change and internet facts seem to blur the lines.....

What's this thread about again? heh Knives! Here's a fun kershaw I sold a couple of months back:

Edited by wishbone, 15 November 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[Flash]

The PDF opens fine for me and the section Glen alludes to is on page 20.

So to sum up, he posted a copy of a contract between the state gaming commision in Arizona and the Tribe that's opening the Casino. The no firearms thing is a rule contained within the contract, not a law, which is why you don't find a law about it. So, it goes like Glen mentioned above if you're on a reservation that allows CCW.

Always good to know the facts.

[wishbone]

If breach of contract means they could lose their ability to operate a casino, I'm willing to bet res law enforcement takes that pretty seriously regardless if the tribe allows ccw on other parts of their land or not.

[Flash]

I'm sure they do, but that still doesn't make it illegal. Illegal is breaking a law, not a rule or a contract. That said, I've never been to an Indian Casino and never will. I only go to a Casino when I'm doing a job for D.O.E. in Nevada, and that's because there's no cheaper place to stay that's decent, has a good bar and a number of good restaurants all in one place. The ones I go to are privately owned, though, not Tribal owned.

Just sayin...

[wishbone]

What I'm saying is if they stand to lose that much, it stands to reason Tribal law would prohibit it in casinos. However, I'm not about to start researching tribal law, so I will concede to the fact that it's just not a good idea either way. =)

[Flash]

Actually I find it interesting that the gaming commission even put that language in the contract.

Must've been some anti's who decided to impose their will on others.